[KwartzLab] Interesting Food Article (Warning: Not Safe For Foodies)
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Thu Mar 21 08:27:01 EDT 2013
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM, JR Nelson <jrnelson at studiojrn.com> wrote:
> The issue for me isn't raw food - it can be delicious! Despite being a
> little wacky, there's a cafe over by Vincenzo's that does some pretty tasty
> It's when they start saying things like how warming food above 115F or
> thereabouts destroys all of the nutrients and good healthy bits of the
> food. That's provably false - most food becomes easier to digest and easier
> to absorb nutrients from after cooking (within reason).
> In fact, it's thought that one of the reasons we were able to evolve such
> power hungry brains is because we started cooking our food and were able to
> get that much more sustenance from a given amount of stuff.
> I enjoy preparing raw meals occasionally, mostly for the challenge of
> having to think outside of my own preconceived notions of what it means to
> cook a meal. But most adherents stray too close to making it a religion -
> proselytizing and all - for me to enjoy it very much.
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:41 AM, <robadlers at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Raw food isn't for every gut. Part of the problem is yes, we've cooked
>> our food for so long that we don't have some of the "Stuff" needed to
>> digest raw foods well, and also combat bacteria typically not present in
>> cooked food. This doesn't mean raw food is bad, but it takes time to be
>> able to get used to eating that way.
>> I'm never a one camp type eater, but I have enjoyed some wicked raw food
>> meals. Mind the onion filled 'burgers'.... urp.....
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>> *From: *JR Nelson
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:32 AM
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>> *Subject: *Re: [KwartzLab] Interesting Food Article (Warning: Not Safe
>> You aren't likely to get Cdiff infections without killing all of the
>> 'good' gut bacteria (i.e., using some sort of broad spectrum antibiotic),
>> but you're right in that what you eat can definitely change the bacterial
>> population ratios in your intestinal tracts.
>> Also, the guy is completely ridiculous and clearly shows a dangerous lack
>> of understanding of human nutritional science. While you can learn a lot
>> from reading a few books on the subject, it'll paint an incomplete picture
>> - and the bad part is, you won't know that it's incomplete.
>> For example, in one article I read, he mentions about how his pulse was
>> racing a few days into the experiment, so he blindly guesses that he was
>> having hemoglobin issues and that his heart was having trouble delivering
>> oxygenated blood to his organs. So he looks at his formula, sees that it's
>> missing iron, and quickly adds an iron supplement. Tada, he's all better,
>> so that's clearly what the problem was.
>> It's poor science, and completely wrong, to boot - if you're well-fed in
>> a Westernized country, you have roughly 5g of Fe in your body. You only
>> need 20mg a day to make red blood cells; you certainly aren't going to run
>> out of it less than a week after you start.
>> Eating liquid, nutritionally complete diets is nothing new - doctors have
>> used them to treat various issues in the past.
>> Argh, everything about this project is frustrating. Don't even get me
>> started on the spiritual woo that pervades raw eaters.
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Matthew McPherrin <matt at mcpherrin.ca>wrote:
>>> While this sounds like a fun idea (I signed up for his "trials", and
>>> hopefully when I move to SF I'll try it out), I'm a bit concerned.
>>> In particular, the human digestive tract is super complicated.
>>> There's a ton of different bacteria in a symbiotic relationship with
>>> you, and who knows what would happen if you didn't eat food for two
>>> months -- maybe something would die off, and you'd get super sick.
>>> is a real problem with people on strong antibiotics.
>>> Eating this for one or two meals a day is probably okay. But
>>> completely replacing food? The implications are pretty scary, and not
>>> an action to be taken lightly and without medical supervision.
>>> On a related note, I'm considering switching to these for my lunches.
>>> They're pretty tasty (fruity granola bar) and relatively complete.
>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Christopher Vollick
>>> <psycotica0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:32:33AM -0400, Mark Pitcher wrote:
>>> >> I don't think it's off tangent at all. For many people food is an
>>> >> part of socializing, and the preparation of food is very ritualistic.
>>> >> others shopping, food prep, and eating is a waste of time and
>>> >> And there's no reason why you couldn't do both.
>>> > Right.
>>> > I liked this line:
>>> >> Eating to me is a leisure activity, like going to the movies, but I
>>> >> don't want to go to the movies three times a day.
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